Friday, January 27, 2006

How Abusive Ministries Defend Themselves

HOW ABUSIVE MINISTRIES DEFEND THEMSELVES

Philip Rosenthal

Date last updated: 25 Jan 2006.

THE 'KANGAROO COURT', 'GANG UP' OR 'ABUSIVE INTERROGATION'     1
HOW TO FIND ACCUSATIONS AGAINST AN INNOCENT PERSON     1
THE THREAT AND ULTIMATUM     3
ALTERNATING TO FLATTERY AND CONCILIATION     3
ETHICAL PROBLEMS     4
WHY DO OTHERWISE GOOD LEADERS BEHAVE LIKE THIS?     5
ACTION     6


When one hears news of unethical behaviour in some ministries, one may wonder how the leader managed to avoid being held accountable.  Many such ministries have developed sophisticated mechanisms to defend themselves from accountability.  Often these methods have become part of the senior leadership culture, but no one else knows about them.  Thus they can catch people by surprise.  Unsuspecting enthusiastic young Christians involve themselves under the authority of a dynamic and successful ministry leadership – not realising that the leader and his organisational hierarchy is itself not subject to proper authority checks and balances.  We all like to think that the ministry to which we belong is spiritual and in the will of God, but multiple scandals have to force us to sober up and consider what we can do to protect our own ministry against falling into such behaviour.

THE 'KANGAROO COURT', 'GANG UP' OR 'ABUSIVE INTERROGATION'

One of the most effective methods is the ‘Kangaroo Court’, otherwise known as the ‘gang up’ or ‘abusive interrogation’.  The person raising an objection is invited to a meeting, to discuss his concerns.  He is not allowed to bring any witnesses, as the meeting is supposedly a 'friendly one'.  He is also asked not to take notes at the meeting, since it is 'friendly'.  On arrival he finds four to six senior leaders in the ministry waiting for him.  Nevertheless, the issues he has come to discuss will not be discussed.  The meeting has one purpose only - to neutralise the person trying to hold the ministry accountable – by any means possible.

The abusive leader may has usually developed something of a ‘personality cult following’.  Some loyal yes-men may participate in such behaviour with the best intentions, believing they are protecting the ministry from a ‘troublemaker’ or ‘division’.

Sometimes the leaders will be introduced in a grandiose manner, in an effort to intimidate the objector - using big titles and bloated achievements. Then the accusations begin.  The leaders attack the objector with any type of accusation they can think of.  The objector may try to defend himself, but this will not be allowed.  If he tries to do so, another leader will accuse him of disrespect.  At this point it becomes evident that the meeting is an ambush and is not a friendly discussion about concerns with the ministry.  There is no logical or fair discussion.  The leaders know that if they were to allow this, they may lose, so they don't allow it.  They just attack.  The abusive leaders take turns to attack and may interrupt each other to add to the abusive accusations.

HOW TO FIND ACCUSATIONS AGAINST AN INNOCENT PERSON

How do the leaders find the accusations?  Anything in the objectors favour is reversed in these attacks.  For example, if he has raised the same concerns with other leaders, then he is accused of 'slander'.  If some of the other leaders agree with him, then he is accused of 'divisiveness'.  An objection to the ministry raised at the meeting becomes evidence of 'disrespect'.  If he wanted to bring a witness or wants confirmation of records, then he is accused of 'not trusting the leaders'.  If he doesn't bring a witness, then he can be accused of 'acting alone'.  Raising problems in the ministry is 'troublemaking'.  If the objector is part of the ministry leadership, he can be accused of 'unsubmissiveness'.  If he is not part of the leadership, then he can be accused of 'lack of accountability' or 'not being a leader' and thus having no right to raise objections.  A general accusation that can be levelled at anyone raising objections to a ministry' behaviour is 'a bad attitude', since this is unprovable.  If he is disagreeing with the ministry tradition, then this must be evidence of 'pride'.  An objection to a policy of the ministry is 'hurtful' to the leaders of the ministry.  All of the above require 'repentance'.

The leaders may try to attack the status of the objector.  A technique is to make them wait a long time outside.  Then they can be attacked for any reason e.g. marital status; lack of ordination or leadership status within the ministry; spiritual maturity; sanity etc.

Most of all, however, the leaders aim to attack the character of the person raising the objections to the ministry.

Another source of items to attack is issues totally unrelated and irrelevant to the current issues in question. Take trivial past incidents and blow them up into big issues trying to prove guilt.  This practice is know as ‘manufacturing offence’ and is related to bearing false witness against ones neighbour – a violation of the 9th commandment, with the intention of undermining or destroying his reputation.

If the abusive leader doesn't know anything against the objector, then he can at least in some ministries use his 'spiritual gift of discernment'. i.e. Pretend that the 'Holy Spirit' has shown him all kinds of problems in the life and background of the victim/objector.

Efforts are made to get the objector to 'confess his sin'.  If he does so, this can be used against him and he may feel legitimately guilty.   Trying to get the objector to do this is a clever manipulative trick, because:
  1. If he does not, he can be accused of lying or covering up because everyone sins so often (1 John 1:8; James 3:2).  The objector may then be accused further of ‘obstinacy’.

  2. If he does confess, then the abusive leaders can distract the focus of the meeting from the serious sin of the organisation or leader to whatever has been confessed.  The confidence of the objector may also be weakened.

During the discussion, the abusive leaders may try to legitimise their authority through dubious theology.  Any attempt to debate this or other ethical issues related to the objection will not be tolerated.  The objective of the meeting again is not to find truth, but to silence the objector.

Another tactic is for the interrogators to provoke the objector to anger with false accusations and then accuse them of being angry.  If the objector shows signs of frustration, he may be accused of ‘bitterness’.  

By attacking the objector personally, mistreating and slandering him, rather than discussing his concerns, the abusive leaders lay the groundwork for more potential further accusations.  The objector must now show even more restraint in raising his objections, lest he be accused of ‘taking revenge’ for personal reasons, rather than those of the public good.  The leaders move attention off themselves and onto the person making the objections.  Hence the saying ‘the best defence is a good offence’.

THE THREAT AND ULTIMATUM

At the end of the meeting, which may last several hours, the objector will be given threats and an ultimatum to shut up or leave the ministry.  The ultimatum may include methods to control the objector, that will have been agreed by the leaders beforehand.  The abusive ministry leaders want the objector to come under their control.  They can do this for example by setting up a structure which they invite the objector to join or alternatively demanding that he 'be discipled' or 'counselled'.  Obviously, the point of such a 'structure' or 'discipling' or 'counselling' is to change his mind or alternatively intimidate him into shutting up.

If the objector at a later time tries to clear his name either by explaining or apologising for whatever accusations have been made, this will be fruitless.  The issue is that the ministry leaders are not interested in the truth.  They just want to silence the objector.  The abusive leaders may be too busy to meet again.  Alternatively, the objector must waste his time trying to meet with each of them individually.  The point is that the ministry doesn't want to know the truth, because that might be painful and cause them to have to change their behaviour.  The only thing they want is for the objector to withdraw his objections and shut up.

By this time, the objectors mind will be focused on defending themselves rather than the original purpose of the meeting, which was to discuss his objection.  He is now in a vulnerable position to agree to shut up.

Now most people have no idea that the leaders they respect and look up to can be manipulative and abusive.  But these things happen in ministries as with some families and also romantic relationships.  So, unprepared the victim/objector may be in a state of shock and think that they may truly have done something wrong - which they need to try remedy.

An easy threat is that the leadership will publicise the abusive false accusations.  Others, not knowing that they are from an abusive ministry or otherwise in denial may believe them.

ALTERNATING TO FLATTERY AND CONCILIATION

If the above approach does not work, and the objector is not intimidated by the abusive behaviour but persists with objections, then the abusive leaders may either escalate the abusiveness or alternatively shift to conciliation and flattery.  This is similar to an abusive husband who beats his wife and then the next day tries to romance her so that she forgives him.

After such abuse, the objector/victim will often be so relieved by the shift to conciliation that he will accept anything rather than re-raise his issues of objection.  The issues can thus just be sidelined by evasion and doublespeak without the need for the use of additional threats.  The objector may be offered some benefits from the ministry in exchange for dropping the issue.

Nevertheless, if the objector does persist, the 'Good cop-bad cop' manipulation technique will shift back to abusiveness.  If they cannot silence the objector then they will have to find a way to discredit them (using true or false accusations) or otherwise evict them from the ministry.

ETHICAL PROBLEMS

Now there are serious ethical problems with the above approach:

  • It is deceptive to invite someone to a 'friendly' meeting, which is actually an ambush.

  • It is manipulative to forbid bringing a witness.  This then gives the abusive leaders two further tools of manipulation.  Firstly they can deny their abusiveness at the meeting; and Secondly, they can later accuse the objector of anything having happened at the meeting, for example being 'disrespectful' - and then use this to institute disciplinary procedures against him.

  • It is unfair to criticise without giving a person the opportunity to defend themselves.

  • It does not follow any biblical disciplinary or grievance procedure.

  • It is clearly aimed at frustrating biblical procedure being used to try to hold the leaders accountable.  Because of this it can be manipulated and also the victim cannot legitimately proceed to the next stage of church discipline, because they have no witness to the discussion.  Thus the abusive leaders are protected, while the objector is vulnerable.

  • It frustrates the opportunity to resolve the concerns of the objector in a reasonable way.  In this way, either it will be suppressed altogether – or alternatively escalated if he decides to pursue it.  Either method is usually unhealthy.

  • The above methods are classic abusive manipulation techniques developed by the communists to try to break people who dissented with communism.  With the communists they were usually successful.  This is classic brainwashing methodology.  Communist methodology should not be tolerated in Christian ministries.

  • An atmosphere of ungodly fear develops in the ministry, and less courageous people learn that they should not challenge the autocratic leadership.  Then more hypocrisy and abusiveness is tolerated.

  • It is a way of 'finding out' more information from the objector so that any future real disciplinary or grievance procedure can be frustrated by cover up or false accusations against the objector.

  • The goal of silencing the objector can be achieved by the following mechanisms:

  • The objector genuinely is convinced by the abuse of the leaders that he is in the wrong and needs to repent. (brainwashing)

  • The objector leaves the ministry.

  • The objector is intimidated into silence.

  • The objector agrees to participate in the recommended leadership structure, counselling or 'discipleship', by which he is then further manipulated.
All of the above constitute unethical manipulation.
  1. The abuse of trust of position as a ministry undermines respect for the office of other good ministry leaders.

  2. Such false accusations can do serious psychological damage, especially to an emotionally weak person.

  3. The leaders are de-facto judging their own case, where they have a conflict of interest.  Effectively, the disciplinary process is inverted and reversed.  Rather, if it cannot be resolved privately, outside mediation should be brought in.

  4. The leaders have pre-determined an outcome which they want to manipulate the victim/objector to accept.

  5. The biggest problem with the above is that most of the time it is effective.  Once all objectors are silenced and the ministry is in denial, then all types of hypocrisy and abusiveness can flourish.  The climate has been created where scandal can fester and grow.

WHY DO OTHERWISE GOOD LEADERS BEHAVE LIKE THIS?

Many people will have a difficulty with understanding how leaders who are otherwise often nice people can use such manipulation and thus not want to believe it.  One must understand that in abusive families, the father is usually outwardly a nice person, but sometimes something triggers his abusiveness, for example alcohol.  The dynamic is similar in abusive ministries.  In this case, the trigger is a threat to power.  Abusive leaders are driven by a love of power.  Any attempt to take it away will elicit a violent reaction.  To those who don't threaten their power, they will be nice people.  Abusiveness on various levels can become part of a culture of a ministry.

So-called Christian ministry driven by a lust for power, fame, money, success or anything else worldly is actually idolatry.  Leaders can shift from good spiritual motivation to worldly motivation without realising it.

There is also the issue of presuppositions.  All denominations read the same Bible, yet their members come to different conclusions from it – because they start with different assumptions.  Usually one of those assumptions is that my denomination is right - or alternatively that the error is not important.  A hunt is made for scriptures seeming to defend the denominational position and those against it are ignored.  In the same way, most people in abusive ministries assume the leader is right.  Thus any evidence showing the leader is wrong is ignored or trivialised.  A hunt is made for evidence to discredit the objector and the evidence he presents is ignored.

Nevertheless, beyond this, there is a culture of denial.  Ministries don't want to admit they or their leaders have behavioural problems.  It leads to fundamental painful questions.  It is much easier to pretend nothing is wrong.  In the same way most alcoholics refuse to admit they are alcoholics.  The first step in coming right is to acknowledge they have a problem.

False accusations repeated often start to be believed.  The abusive leaders are likely to have previously discussed the issue in the absence of the objector.  Any number of stories or accusations or half-truths can be raised at such meetings without the objector having opportunity to know them or defend himself.  The leaders want to believe these, because it is much easier than considering the possibility that their ministry is unethical/hypocritical etc.

Elitism in many ministries creates a spiritual blindness.  Anyone below the level in the hierarchy is simply ignored or at best treated like a child. Their concerns are treated as personal worries rather than real problems with the ministry.

Such ministries develop a culture where leaders are obligated to defend each other rather than investigate the truth.

In most ministries, leaders use the senior leader as an ethical guideline, thus no one questions his behaviour.  If invited to such an abusive interrogation, they just assume the procedure is acceptable and that the objector is a troublemaker needing to be 'sorted out'.  

There is no moral feedback to the abusive leader, and he becomes more and more like a problem child who never matures due to lack of discipline.

As with abusive families, also, there is usually a culture of silence.  The whole family knows, but they want the family to stick together and keep their social reputation - so they say nothing.  Often the abused are financial dependent on the abuser.  The same in ministries.  Money is used as a tool to manipulate and control people.  Anyone who breaks the 'no talk' rule, will in both abusive families and abusive ministries be usually accused of insanity.

As with abusive families, most abusive leaders have been mentored by another abusive leader – and thus think that the behaviour is ‘not so bad’ or even legitimate.

Similar tactics of trying to discredit a witness are commonly used in law courts - often successfully.   Lawyers will interrogate a witness to try to get him to admit something that will discredit him.  Nevertheless, in a law court, both parties have access to lawyers and the judge tries to be objective.  In a church 'kangaroo court'/'gang up'/'abusive interrogation', there is no one being objective and no support for the objector.

If anyone thinks this is far fetched, look at the behaviour of the Pharisees and priests at the trial of Jesus - when he challenged and undermined their religious power.

Most people will not be brave enough to confront authorities that behave in the above manner - or even get near such a meeting.  Thus any type of hypocrisy and abusiveness can flourish in the ministry.

The above techniques and many others have been well documented by those helping people from abusive ministries and I have seen variations on these techniques more than once first hand myself.  The organisation 'Rape Action' has recommended that sexual accusations against people in ministry should be taken directly to the secular courts and not dealt with internally within ministries – citing the abuse and manipulation of church discipline.  At the time, I argued against them.  Unfortunately, I now think they have a point.

To read more on these abusive methods in the discipleship context go to
http://ubf-info.de/doc/pile.en.htm
And do a search for books on ‘spiritual abuse’ at www.amazon.com

The are many other tools abusive leaders use to defend themselves against accountability, but the abusive interrogation is one of the most powerful.  This practice needs to be attacked and stopped, because if is successfully stopped, then the entire abuse system of abusive ministries will collapse – rather like how the Soviet Union fell apart once they stopped the government killing people and exiling them to Siberia for speaking up.
ACTION
To try to prevent abusive interrogations and other abusive behaviour:

  • All ministries should have a policy to ban the practice of kangaroo courts/ abusive interrogations.  There should be proper channels and procedures in every ministry for dealing with both discipline and grievances in a fair way.  Try to create a culture of openness.

  • Any leaders who have been part of such practices should repent to their victims.

  • Ministries which have covered up sin in this way need to repent both of covering up sin and for the sin itself.

  • All Christians should be taught their rights and the proper discipline and grievance procedure to follow in terms of Matthew 18 and Acts 6.

  • Anyone who discovers they have been invited to a ministry 'kangaroo court''/ 'gang up' or abusive interrogation should walk out immediately. There is no benefit in dialogue in such circumstances.  Anything a person says may later be used against them.  They should then re-convene the meeting at a later date with witnesses.

  • Christians should be taught to beware of abusive and unethical leaders and hold them accountable rather than blindly following authority.

  • Christian leaders should avoid symbols and behaviours of spiritual elitism, which make them unapproachable and thus their ministries unaccountable.

  • Leaders should withdraw support from other leaders who behave in an abusive manner.

  • If you are raising an objection to the ethical behaviour of your ministry, you must chose your witnesses from outside of the salaried employees of the ministries.  Financially dependent people will almost always defend their employers (otherwise they lose their job stupid!).  Preferably chose a witness from outside the ministry.

  • Anyone who has been a victim of spiritual abuse in the above or other ways or is otherwise interested in trying to combat it should contact me and I will email you some literature that will help you.

  • If you are a leader:

  • Consider whether you may have defensively used or participated in such methods in the past – possibly without realising it.  If this is the case, you need to repent.  You will not get away with it forever.  Remember Jesus warnings of God’s judgement against abusive religious leaders (Matthew 23).

  • Examine your own heart, motivations and life to see whether you have developed the fear of man (Matthew 10:28), turning aside from your first love (Revelation 2:4) and the love of money (1 Timothy 6:11).

  • Missionaries going to communist countries or other hostile governments should practice the skills of combating abusive interrogation before leaving - as the techniques are the same.

Philip Rosenthal

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nenanda said...

Several days ago, after having given the idea a lot of thought and after having prayed about it, I decided to post to the blogspot under http://www.savingbellevue.com in hopes the people there could relate to problems arising from the church growth movements from my experience. This website has been birthed out of a need for those members of Bellevue to come together and discuss their situation arising from the atrocities present in their church. Needless to say, most of the people presenting themselves in this website and the blog are those who would be considered to be the resistors, the pillars, and/or the “leaders from hell” which I make mention to in my following post. It is my prayer that the scales will fall from the eyes of those who are blinded to this movement. My post to the Bellevue blog follows:

1 Timothy 4:1, 6 “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;…If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.”

I am taking seriously your invitation to post here if one has something which might aid in the understanding of what is taking place at BBC. Taking this into consideration in that I have ‘been there, done that’, I do have a few things to say which I hope will be beneficial to you. Please understand that what I am about to say is done with the intent to help rather than to hurt anyone. The people who are responsible in having ‘driven’ fellow church members out of their churches need to repent and make public apologies to their victims in making right the wrongs they have done to the Body of Christ. Having said this, I want to tell you that there is little doubt in my mind that your church is being highjacked by the purpose driven movement. I have spent the last one and one half years doing extensive research into this movement and others similar to it. It is my prayer that those initiating this movement in your church will repent and that the scales will be removed from the eyes of those members who are being manipulated by them. Please understand that what I am about to say only touches the tip of the iceberg. There is so much more to our story and there is so much more to be said of the devastation brought on by the PDM. This is not just about Bellevue Baptist Church, Germantown Baptist Church, Gardendale Baptist Church of Corpus Christi, Iuka Baptist Church, and hundreds of others…this is about the dishonor being brought about to our Lord Jesus Christ through this movement.

Since the beginning of savingbellevue.com, I have been reading and keeping up with things at BBC. My heart breaks for all of you, especially those of you considered to be 'resistors' or 'pillars' or ‘leaders from hell’. If these terms mean nothing to you, this probably means that you are not educating yourselves on the purpose driven movement enough to understand what is happening in your church. These terms refer to those who resist the movement and are asked to leave or are voted out (or worse) by those who are in control and are bringing the movement into the church. The harder these people resist, the harder they are dealt with. The blows can be devastating. These people, the resistors, have discerned that there is a serious problem in the church, even though they have not or cannot identify its root cause initially. Or it might be that these people are just no longer wanted in the church for whatever reason. This transitional movement is done in total secrecy. It is transitioned into an established church in darkness. More often than not it is a ‘slow boil’ and is often carried out over a period of several years. I have come to learn that often times the plans are fouled because those in the lead become impatient. Once they lose control, things run amuck. I believe there is a strong possibility you are witnessing this at Bellevue. Let me add here…if you have read Transitioning an Established Church by Chuck McAllister in Rick Warren’s Toolbox and it sends up red flags, then you best listen to your innermost being.

My blog name, “Been there”, bears witness to the fact that my husband and I are victims of this horrible movement which has invaded churches all over the world. My husband was voted out of his church of fifty-nine years, as an active deacon in a business meeting that defies anything even remotely known as ‘Christian’ behavior. I could never have taken part in treating another human being in the manner in which my husband and these two other deacons were treated on that fateful day/evening on April 5th of this year. People who call themselves Christians actually stood and applauded, cheered, and rejoiced at what they perceived to be the spiritual destruction of three Godly men, not to even mention the damage to their character that could have manifested in their community as a result of this heinous act. The people taking part in this atrocity were jubilant, seemingly overjoyed with what I perceive to be the equivalent of a modern day lynching. That morning the other two deacons were approached by members of the active deacon board with typed resignations on church letter head stationary and were told that if they didn’t sign these typed resignations, they would be voted out that night at the business meeting. They signed. People have been led to believe that they willfully decided to resign and did so…this is not true. It was a well planned and orchestrated nefarious plot. My husband was not available so they could not ask him to sign his typed, church letter head resignation. I found two deacons that afternoon, including the chairman, in our secluded backyard, certainly not gated but private nevertheless, looking for my husband. I had seen one of these men driving slowly back and forth in front of our home earlier that day several times looking our way with a fixed stare. I felt like we were being ‘cased’. It was the most eerie, unnerving feeling I have ever had. These three deacons have yet to be told what they were guilty of. One of the deacons voted out was told by one of these deacons that they just didn’t ‘have the same ideas’. And, in fact, just shortly before they were ousted, the chairman of the deacons told my husband that if he wanted to remain fundamental Baptist, then he would need to get out and find himself a fundamental Baptist church. He said this is the direction the Southern Baptist Convention is taking. I can tell you what these three deacons were guilty of…they were guilty of loving their church enough to try and stop the invasion of the purpose driven movement into it by bringing it to the attention of the deacon board. I asked one of these deacons who took part in removing these three men at that business meeting on the evening of April 5th, just this past Sunday night for the first time since the business meeting just exactly what it was that these three men did to be removed from their church and his answer to me was, “I don’t know.” How pathetic this is. Tragic! Let me just add here, that it is possible to listen to this business meeting online. You can go to ‘abrahamic-faith.com/false-teachers.html and look near the bottom at ‘part 1 and part 2’ and listen to that April 5th meeting. My prayer for all of you is that you can find an answer before something like this happens in your church. I could write a book on what led up to all of this in our lives and it still continues on. The feeling of betrayal remains...it has left a bad taste. One of the most devastating things used to discredit these three deacons and their families from the onset and throughout all of this was the rumors they spread, total untruths…and people swallowed them. People who were our friends won’t speak now….we are avoided. It has divided families. The aftermath of this atrocity has been truly as remarkable as the events leading up to and including the night of April 5th, 2006. This is part of the plan of the purpose driven movement….the Hegelian dialectic. Pragmatism. Whatever it takes. There exists a picture of Rick Warren holding up a sign with this written on it, “Whatever It Takes.” Understand that these people will stop at nothing to get their way. You are already witnessing this at Bellevue. When I first started reading all of these things on your savingbellevue website about Mark Sharpe, I could not believe the similarities of the things that happened to him to those of my husband. It is truly incredible…the similarities. There was no doubt in my mind that Mark Sharpe was telling the truth. Truth is not a part of the purpose driven agenda. I could never have imagined I would have ever seen the things transpire in our former church, or any church for that matter, that I have witnessed.

In September, the Wall Street Journal featured an article by Suzanne Sataline titled, Veneration Gap-A Popular Strategy for Church Growth Splits Congregants. The front page carried a picture of my husband, the article written about both of us along with other congregants in other areas of our country. This was the first time a secular media has openly discussed anything in opposition involving Rick Warren and the purpose driven movement, aka church growth movements. For the first time, an avenue was opened where people could email a source voicing their opinions about the betrayal they had undergone in their churches. Ms. Sataline was inundated with emails from people like you and like us from all over the world…telling their horror stories about abuse coming from their churches. I pray that there will continue to be avenues opened up where people can voice their grievances on these issues and unite in the hope that people will return to the faith, turning from the seducing spirits and doctrines of devils so prevalent today. Your website, your blog are such avenues and I see this as an area of accountability. You are to be commended for this. We have been asked to write our story for publication. We must all tell our stories…we must fight this demonic transition overtaking our churches and our people. “For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?”- (Jesus Christ)-Mark 8:36.

I read one of your entries by a Germantown Baptist member, who stressed to all of you to educate yourselves on these movements so prevalent today, especially the Rick Warren movement. He is giving you excellent advice. This is truly the only way to learn what is going on in your church. I find that to be the main problem in churches…that members are unwilling to read about it, unwilling to educate themselves about it. It is not going to self destruct. One of the deacons in our former church, inactive at the time, told my daughter he didn’t know what purpose driven is, he didn’t want to know what purpose driven is, and had no intention of trying to find out. This man has since been voted back in as a deacon in said church. I find it to be total ignorance to refuse to educate oneself on something so crucial. It is truly tragic. One could fall prey easily when they don’t understand what is going on. This is a responsibility we owe ourselves. Mr. Haywood has ample information for you to read on savingbellevue.com. and at the beginning of this thread. I would like to include these which I find to be good sources and in no particular order: ‘crossroads.to’ by Andy and Berit Kjos; ‘sliceoflaodicea.com’ by Ingrid Schlueter; ‘lighthousetrailsresearch.com’ by David and Deborah Dombrowski; ‘abrahamic-faith.com/false-teachers.html’ by James Sundquist; ‘newswithviews.com’ Paul Proctor; ‘erwm.com’ (Eastern Regional Watch) by Steven Muse; ‘swrc.com’ Dr. Larry Spargimo and Noah Hutchings, ‘deceptioninthechurch.com’ and look under purpose driven. I would also like to recommend the books Redefining Christianity-Understanding the Purpose Driven Movement by Bob DeWaay, Who’s Driving the Purpose Driven Church? and Rick Warren’s Global Peace Plan vs. Scriptural Teachings on Peace by James Sundquist, Ashamed of the Gospel by John MacArthur, and Deceived on Purpose by Warren Smith. The book, Transitioning-Leading Your Church Through Change by Dan Southerland is one you should read…paying particular attention to Step 6, page 110 on Dealing with Opposition; the foreword is written by Rick Warren and instructs pastors on how to take your church into the purpose driven church by deception. You can also find similar reading in The Purpose Driven Church and of course, you can find all sorts of information of pastors.com, Rick Warren’s own website. You might want to pay particular attention to Dealing with Opposition, Step 6 under the thread, Transitioning, Dan Southerland. Please read and educate yourselves on this movement. It is true that you need to be careful what you read; however the footwork has been provided for you by Mr. Haywood and myself, as well. It is credible and validated.

The most important thing in all of this is…you must stand for what is right. You must take a stand for Jesus Christ at all costs. That is what my husband and the other two deacons who stood with him have done. There were others with us…small in number but big in heart and discernment. Standing for what is right is not always popular. The majority is not always right. Remember the crucifixion. This purpose driven movement is all about changing the church to become worldly…the Bible tells us in Romans 12:2 “Be not conformed to this world; but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”

“If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people; Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head…But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take [any] person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.” Ezekiel 33:3,4,6

Yours in Christ,
Nena Jones

“That very church which the world likes best is sure to be that which God abhors.”-Charles H. Spurgeon, 1859

New BBC Open Forum said...

beenthere wrote:

"Several days ago, after having given the idea a lot of thought and after having prayed about it, I decided to post to the blogspot under http://www.savingbellevue.com in hopes the people there could relate to problems arising from the church growth movements from my experience. This website has been birthed out of a need for those members of Bellevue to come together and discuss their situation arising from the atrocities present in their church."

Just to clarify, the blog (New BBC Open Forum) and savingbellevue.com are connected only through mutual links on their respective pages. One is not part of the other.

Thank you for your thoughts, Nena. A lot of what you wrote about is eerily similar to what we're experiencing at Bellevue.

NBBCOF

Matthew Farnell (McFarnell) said...

May I post a copy of this article on my blog? With credit of course.

Also, could you please send me some more information on confronting abusive ministries. Thank you. Blessings,

pr said...

NEW YORK DISTRICT ASSEMBLY OF GOD PRESBYTERY DISMISSES New York City Presbyter and U.S. Assemblies of God Urban Missionary– MARK GREGORI, EVEN THOUGH PROVEN INNOCENT BY FORENSIC EXAM!

In what may be the worst abuse of justice to date by the AOG, the leaders of the New York District of the Assemblies of God have accused and dismissed the Rev. Mark Gregori, of what amounts to "thought crimes" – even though independent polygraph tests cleared him of any guilt. Like a chilling piece of fiction, the New York District Presbytery interrogated and dismissed Rev. Mark Gregori on the grounds of - "you are guilty, when WE say you are guilty," despite clear and compelling evidence that he is innocent.

Pastor Gregori, founder and Pastor of The Crossway Christian Center for 36 years in the Bronx, NY; was also the object of a malicious 3-page letter, written to all of his friends and fellow ministers by the District Superintendent detailing the baseless accusations, as well as the Presbyters unbiblical rationale for dismissal. Himself a longtime New York City Presbyter and a U.S. Assemblies of God Urban Missionary, he has been the victim of intolerable malice, exploitation, betrayal, slander, and "cruel and inhuman punishment," at the hands of the New York Presbytery, though, once again, forensic science has confirmed his complete innocence. There seems to be no end in sight of the outrageous abuse of authority and power that continues in the AOG.

You can read here Pastor Gregori's rebuttal of the New York District's actions against him, as well as his appeal to AOG General Superintendent George O. Wood, and his fellow AOG ministers.

http://timefortruth.com/ForYourSpirit/StateOfChurch.aspx

www.timefortruth.com

Unknown said...

Pastor Lee McFarland (Radiant Church, Surprise, AZ.)His chronic addiction to pornography and manipulating married, vulnerable female parishoners into having sex with him finally caught up with him. Even after being discovered he continued to lie about it until multiple victims came out of the wood-work. He’s been outed as a scam artist. He was fired.

Unknown said...

Pastor Lee McFarland (Radiant Church, Surprise, AZ.)His chronic addiction to pornography and manipulating married, vulnerable female parishoners into having sex with him finally caught up with him. Even after being discovered he continued to lie about it until multiple victims came out of the wood-work. He’s been outed as a scam artist. He was fired.

Jeremy said...

Kalvin, this is Jeremy Weber, news editor at Christianity Today magazine. I'm looking into this lawsuit (http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/09/19/50428.htm) and interested in learning more about what you posted. Please contact me at jweber@christianitytoday.com. Thanks, Jeremy

Jeremy said...

Kalvin, this is Jeremy Weber, news editor at Christianity Today magazine. I'm looking into this lawsuit (http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/09/19/50428.htm) and interested in learning more about what you posted. Please contact me at jweber@christianitytoday.com. Thanks, Jeremy